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I do wonder if the mechanisms for intentional headmate creation are similar or the same as those in DID I guess we don't have complex enough brain imaging to really know though But with DID it seems at least a little different since there's dissociation and amnesia However... in osdd-1b... there isn't (as much) amnesia So i wonder if that is more similar to tulpamancy (edited)

but honestly i don't think it matters how different alter creation or tulpa creation is, if someone has did they should be treating the underlying cause and work on managing symptoms without spending too much time trying to "figure it out" because "figuring it out" will become creating a lore that you will think is real

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Kei Wendt

I do wonder if the mechanisms for intentional headmate creation are similar or the same as those in DID I guess we don't have complex enough brain imaging to really know though But with DID it seems at least a little different since there's dissociation and amnesia However... in osdd-1b... there isn't (as much) amnesia So i wonder if that is more similar to tulpamancy (edited)

I mean, some tulpamancers intentionally create amnesia barriers. IIRC it's uhh parallel processing? I might be misunderstanding that one though

those things don't really matter, it just your own creative project if you try to "figure out"

9:22 PM

and can easily turn into maladaptive daydreaming

Leiko

but honestly i don't think it matters how different alter creation or tulpa creation is, if someone has did they should be treating the underlying cause and work on managing symptoms without spending too much time trying to "figure it out" because "figuring it out" will become creating a lore that you will think is real

You are right I just wish there was some scientific way to figure out plurality

then there is also aspect of attaching to the labels way too much which just stalls any treatment

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Kei Wendt

You are right I just wish there was some scientific way to figure out plurality

yeah, it is a shame how little we know about how the brain works

9:23 PM

we're at the "attach leeches to balance the humors" stage right now

9:23 PM

I mean

9:23 PM

I'm exaggerating a bit there

9:23 PM

but it's a very blind "try this and see what happens"

you don't need to know how it works in order for treatment to work..

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very true

and treatment for did works

oh yes

9:24 PM

not trying to discount therapy at all

9:24 PM

it has been massively helpful for me

9:24 PM

I am just used to computer science, where there is a binary yes/no to all questions, and everything is fundamentally understandable

9:25 PM

we even know what we can't know in that field, which is further than physics has gotten

i dont think there will ever be a binary answer to whatever goes on in the brain

i agree

I'm a materialist, so I disagree--but only in principle. Practically speaking, yeah, it's not gonna happen in our lifetime--or even our great-great-great grandchildren's lifetime, barring some massive breakthrough

9:26 PM

so, yes, I agree with you

consider brain to be an analogue cpu

9:26 PM

if you are familiar with them

yes

analogue cpus are not 1/0

im talking about how people have different ways of processing things compared to others so there will be no single answer that covers everyone

9:26 PM

is what i mean

aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae

im talking about how people have different ways of processing things compared to others so there will be no single answer that covers everyone

oh, yes, that is definitely true

9:26 PM

brains are growing things

9:27 PM

they're not statically printed in final form from birth

it's a shame computer science can turn people into looking at things as black or white

9:27 PM

false dichotomy trap

Leiko

analogue cpus are not 1/0

it is still something that is fully predictable and understandable; that is more the driving force behind saying "yes/no answer to all questions"

there is much more richness in things if you just accept them as they are sometimes

Leiko

it's a shame computer science can turn people into looking at things as black or white

I think it's just the autism /j

i think people are fully deterministic myself but figuring out how one person's brain works to determine what they will do next is going to be just too much work and effort to ever figure out

Kei Wendt

I think it's just the autism /j

no joke, I think that's probably why I am so motivated by abstract math vs the physical sciences

i also think people are deterministic, but figuring out why and what wouldn't help you

I wish therapy was affordable

aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae

i think people are fully deterministic myself but figuring out how one person's brain works to determine what they will do next is going to be just too much work and effort to ever figure out

literally a problem that would take currently unfathomable-to-build resources to compute

@blanka - jump meanwhile you can do huge amount of process with simple journalling

Leiko

i also think people are deterministic, but figuring out why and what wouldn't help you

I mean, it'd REALLY help with drug synthesis, and physical therapy design, for all sorts of goals

zombie

I wish therapy was affordable

It should be free everywhere It's not even entirely free in manitoba where there's 'free' healthcare

zombie

I wish therapy was affordable

It really should be completely free, with heavy monetary incentives to become a therapist. we definitely need more therapy

I mean, it'd REALLY help with drug synthesis, and physical therapy design, for all sorts of goals

@blanka - jump sure it can help researchers but i mean that it wouldn't help you knowing how things work

blanka

It really should be completely free, with heavy monetary incentives to become a therapist. we definitely need more therapy

A lot of therapists ive had never seemed to care about what i said

unless it's just for someone to convince you that certain methods work

9:32 PM

A lot of therapists ive had never seemed to care about what i said

@zombie - jump did you care what they said?

Leiko

A lot of therapists ive had never seemed to care about what i said

@zombie - jump did you care what they said?

No because it didnt apply to me at all

Leiko

I mean, it'd REALLY help with drug synthesis, and physical therapy design, for all sorts of goals

@blanka - jump sure it can help researchers but i mean that it wouldn't help you knowing how things work

well, perhaps. But think of how much better anti-anxiety or anti-depression drugs could be, if, say, we could model how they interact with the proven source of depression in a brainscan on this one guy?

sure but again, i mean it won't help you as the patient to know it

I guess what you mean is we should leave the worrying to the researchers, right?

yes

9:35 PM

therapy progress is not happening through logic

I got prescribed anti depresents from a medical doctor and all they did was make me comfortable with doing nothing

zombie

I got prescribed anti depresents from a medical doctor and all they did was make me comfortable with doing nothing

that's unfortunate. the drug therapies I've tried haven't been very good either

9:36 PM

the antidepressent I was prescribed made me massively more depressed

9:36 PM

even after a month

i turned into a robot for a year but it helped me once i got off it

zombie

I got prescribed anti depresents from a medical doctor and all they did was make me comfortable with doing nothing

Sometimes it takes a while to find the right drug I'd advise listening to what your doctor says on this but maybe you can try another one

i asked my psychologist when would be a good time to think about any medication, she said that due to my occupation it's better to not consider them for now since people in my occupation find the side effects interrupt with job, so we focused on just talk therapy and it helped a lot

9:37 PM

but i've been doing it almost 4 years now

I'm finally going to my doctor in july and i'm going to be referred to a therapist and an adult psychiatrist I've also asked my current psychiatrist about being referred to someone with knowledge on dissociative disorders after i get my new meds

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that's good to hear!

9:39 PM

it's a shame some people only get prescribed medication

9:39 PM

but not everyone can afford or live in a country where therapy is easily accessible

Leiko

it's a shame some people only get prescribed medication

I didn't get referred to a therapist ever because i thought my psychiatrist was the one to refer me but it turns out i needed to ask my doctor

my therapy is still free and i have no clue why i've never had any trouble with getting therapy when i see lots of people talking how it's been getting worse year by year in here

9:41 PM

although i've gone to therapy for a long ass time

Kei Wendt

I didn't get referred to a therapist ever because i thought my psychiatrist was the one to refer me but it turns out i needed to ask my doctor

getting access to therapy is so confusing! The referral system is byzantine at best

aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae

my therapy is still free and i have no clue why i've never had any trouble with getting therapy when i see lots of people talking how it's been getting worse year by year in here

there is a ranking for how easy it is to access therapy in the US by state. I currently live in #50

9:42 PM

it took me 3 years to get through to a clinic

i wasted many years with a therapist who barely asked anything and we just sat there, but i was pretty young and didnt know to change the therapist

9:42 PM

im from finland lol

finland, the 52nd state of usa

that fatso probably still gets paid well for doing nothing, if he's that useless with other people

aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae

im from finland lol

yeah I was just telling you how it is here

9:43 PM

not implying anyone here is an ameriburger

9:43 PM

a burgerican

aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae

i wasted many years with a therapist who barely asked anything and we just sat there, but i was pretty young and didnt know to change the therapist

damn that sucks

Please remember this is #tulpa-discussion

4:53 AM

Actually I have a discussion topic (but mind the tiredness) (edited)

4:54 AM

Tulpas: favorite thing to do on the weekend. Go

We usually just obsessively draw or play video games.

I don't distinguish weekends from weekdays, nor do I need to. In terms of relaxation, I like to sit outside and enjoy the environment.

We like that too

I like to play video games and hang out with my in-sys partners and friends

I dunno! We don't have a job or anything, so weekends aren't a big deal, but... I guess it's nice to spend more time with our parents since they have jobs!

Ranger ↩️

Reply to: Tulpas: favorite thing to do on the weekend. Go

Found a fun game for a mostly pre-verbal friend to engage in- take turns ripping different balls from our memory and picturing them in as much detail as posdible, then the next person goes! A good technique for workong on refining visualization, cause i gotta be able to see his turn! U just go back and forth, making different forms. Is a grest way to teach control of thr wonderland too!

That does sound cute

sometimes i can feel my tulpa blushing and it’s so cute Stick_slam

That’s cute, our system has moments where the happiness of one member strongly influences the fronter’s mood so it’s just good times all around

he have a lot of that too and we're trying to "spread" it among each other so one of us doesnt claim all of the happiness if that makes sense

i don’t know if this has happened to anyone else, but sometimes i can hear conversations going on in my head, like two people talking to eachother. and it’s usually when i’m doing a task or not thinking about anything in particular thonk

but when i tell them to be quiet they do Dog_Doge_Kek

i’m pretty sure it’s not my tulpa talking, though. he’s pretty shy when it comes to people and the voices don’t sound like him pluralthonk

have you played out scenarios in your head often before tulpa stuff?

7:26 PM

its probably just that

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7:26 PM

its only a tulpa if you let it be a tulpa